Thanks again.

One thing I found interesting was when the infomercials were running, Armando kept saying we would be learning from him there. Never saw him unless you count the bigger than life cardboard figures that were all over the place. I feel bad for the people that payed now. I actually stuck around for the “free” gifts (a video and an audio CD). Some of the concepts were interesting but seemed a little bit shady. I want to invest but have no money, no job, bad credit (I hurt my back at work in 2008 and have been on workers comp since which is why I’m in the boat that I am). I am currently in college earning a degree in Economics, which the guy speaking pretty much made clear how he felt going to college was stupid since he did not have a degree, nor his wife, nor will his baby girl get either. pretty offensive but to each his own.

I’ll stick with college now (i get grants mostly to cover the costs, so my loans are minimal).

Anyway, thanks for the info and if nothing else I found this place here to be entertaining. No offense meant to anybody

Also check out RIPOFFREPORT.COM about his company too.

Having just sold my insurance agency and looking for another opprtunity, I chose to sit through the “free” session. I’m 55, college-educated, spent 13 years as an insurance agency owner and 18 in the computer industry before that. I’ve given my share of professional presentations, trainings and have been trained in sales and account management by some the best F500 companies in the US.

In brief, EVERYTHING posted here happened in our presentation two weeks ago (back of the room, cover that later, etc.). From about 15 minutes into it, it was CLEAR this was about selling something us else other than what we thought we came to hear (more programs). Throughout the entire 2+ hours, the cautious Paul kept saying something’s not right, while the eager Paul kept saying “$1500 is nothing to check this out”. I came close to buying, but decided to “sit on it”for a day - which is what I do on most significant purchases. In that “time to breathe”, I googled montelongo and found your site and these fellow-minded people. Nothing is ever answered, cheerleading goes on and, if you listen real close, it’s just not adding up to anything more than a scam.

Mark, Voss, Steve, wyldwmn - all of you who’ve posted are good people doing good work and I thank you for your candor and hard research. You’ve saved me, and I’m sure others, money, time and a bad, financial experience.

Buyers Beware - This is rip off

Gosh I wish I’d have seen this review before spending a c-note on a load of garbage…

And I just love it how house flippers take credit for median home value gains…!? All that retarded 10% margins on tons of risk, undercutting each other in a saturated market. Flippers need to take a step back for a few years and instead build up rental ports… 20% caps are around in plenty.

Actually… post number 229 where “Armando Montelongo” wrote: “I am a lawyer, and in the courtroom, personal opinion is considered hearsay and would be dismissed. From a legal standpoint, mike voss has no credibliity.” is a perfect example of the disregard for the intelligence of others that this group has. (When I say “this group”, I mean Armando and his gang - Matt Mattson and Richard Layton, primarily.)

I went to one of the “free” seminars in Walnut Creek, California, Tuesday night. It’s not surprising, by the way, that they assign no value to our time; no appreciation for or acknowledgment of the gas we burned to travel anywhere from 5 to 150 miles to sit in the chair or the babysitters many people had to hire. These blowhards went on and on from 6 p.m. until 11 p.m. - practically non-stop! I only stayed for the whole thing so I could make an assessment of the evening based on the whole picture.

First of all, I’m NOT a lawyer. I’m a school teacher. But, here’s what even I know about “hearsay”: &nbsp&nbspfor over 250 years, “hearsay” evidence has been defined as “evidence based not on a witness’s personal knowledge but on another’s statement not made under oath”. Hearsay has nothing to do with the opinion of someone who’s “testifying”. There are many “opinions” that courts take into consideration. That’s why experts get paid thousands and thousands of dollars! And, judging by what I have read throughout this blog, Mike Voss appears to be considered an expert by many.

By the way, there have actually been times when “hearsay” is deemed acceptable; in Drew Peterson’s current case, for example. His dead wife’s words are being allowed through her friends and family.

Secondly, the observance of Armando as a “cheerleader” was hilarious! Armando, “All millionaires do things NOW! All millionaires do things when?” Audience, “now”. Armando, “I can’t hear you! When?” “Now!” With his hand to his ear, “When?” “NOW!” That’s just one example of the hyped up chants he presented his audience throughout his very short presentation. After all, his time is valuable… Next, the “turbo thinker” sales technique that Matt Mattson uses is amazing! It’s meant to numb people’s brains; put them into overload so they respond automatically to the call to run to the back table and sign up for the $9,000 3-day that they are going to give you for $1,500. He goes on and on and on and on at 50 million miles an hour because he doesn’t really want you to understand anything he says. He looks at his watch over and over, shaking his head and saying, “I guess I’ll have to just skip this next section.” I guess he doesn’t think we’ll notice that he didn’t have to skip any slides in his sideshow, I mean “slide” show.

Then there’s this technique… I think it’s called the “take away”, or something like it.

“Be sure you are one of the first 8. Wait a minute. Don’t go yet! Yada, yada, yada. Ok, we’ll try to take 12, but we have two more nights of this and turnout for this event has blown us away. We reserved a ballroom for the 3-day that will only support about 20 people. We’ll have to try to upgrade to a bigger room. We’ll find a way. Yada, yada, yada. Good news, we’ve been able to get a little bit bigger room. We only have kits for the first 12 people, but we’ll find a way to get them to another 12. The guys at the back will call out the numbers of each registration as it happens so you can know that you are close to missing out on the opportunity of a lifetime. Then he repeats one of Armando’s chants: &nbsp&nbsp”Millionaires take action when?”

Enough of that. The spelling issue is just another example of their attitude toward all of us. Especially since it’s been going on from the beginning. According to Richard Layton, the “go to guy” Armondo referred me to when I tried to talk to him about “something that could be important” as I called it, many people have pointed the errors out to them over the years. I say it’s sloppy and careless, and, in light of the fact that they have been totally aware of the errors for years and don’t waste their time or money correcting them, it seems like a, “F*** you. Who cares what you think? We’re only here to make money and there are enough suckers who don’t care how we spell.”

(Yes, bystander, Post 233, a lot of people don’t know how to spell. But they still care. And, when someone who understands that not knowing how to spell is common points out their error, they make an effort to learn and correct it. These guys just laugh behind your back.)

By the way, these aren’t subtle little errors that are hard to find. They include a reference to “Las Veagas” on the slideshow you watch as you are waiting for Armando. Then, in giant letters at the top of the first slide in his presentation, Matt shows us, “MILLIONAIRS” and “BILLIONAIRS”. And, in e-mail messages prior to the event, there was a story where someone “road into town on their motorcycle”, and the word “millionaire” is spelled several different ways.I’ve already spent far too much of my time on this, but when I found this blog, I wanted to share some of my experience, observations, and opinions.

As the last word goes… BEWARE! Make informed choices, not emotional choices!

From what I read, I have the following comments -

1) I never want to see someone not succeed or go bankrupt BUT if someone is ripping people off for a living, then they deserve to be in jail. From the information I’ve seen/read, Armando needs to face charges and let the judge or jury make a decision.

2) A lot of people do not know how to spell.

3) There’s NEVER an easy way of getting rich. The ONLY way is to work hard and treat people with respect. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I’m in business and when people ask me for advice, I give it for free of charge. I know that I can make money from charging people for my advice but I don’t.

4) Mike Voss’ statements were for the most part validated by facts and data. This brings a level of credibility to his statements.

5) Always do your homework before spending money on things you can get FOR FREE!!!! For crying out loud, the lack of intelligence in some people is amazing. In most cases, the people that lose money from schemes are people that would never be able to follow through and execute a plan even if it was legit.
Take the money you have and put it to work for you in a way that you know you will benefit. If you have never been in business before, what makes you think you’re going to become a business person overnight and become rich quick?

6) Only time will tell where Armando belongs, in jail, on the streets, in a hot place (with lots of flames) or wherever! The sad thing is, his kid(s) and family will suffer from is actions.

7) There are a lot of business people that only worry about the perception of others. They think that misleading people is the only way of looking “good”.

8) If you ever watched the show and know anything about flipping or the work being done, a lot of shortcuts were taken. At most, the work was sub par.

9) One would think that a TV network would do their homework BEFORE putting some of these people on TV where they can influence millions of influential people.

10) A&E and Armando and is company should all be put on trial and if found guilty, then A&E should be held liable for promoting his propaganda. I do recall an episode where the book was promoted and where he was going to be a guest speaker for some conference.

11) One of the funniest things I read in the posts was the book and how it was published with the pages all messed up. You get what you pay for!

I’m sure there are other things but I’m done. I haven’t done a background check on Mike Voss but something would have been posted on here if he was scamming people. Thanks for exposing the facts!

Good Luck Armando! Your next gig may not be as lucrative. For your kid’s/family’s sake, I hope you stashed some money away for their future.

BTW - there’s no shame in treating people with respect and honesty.